(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Ing Masters  Round 4 Mingjiu Jiang (7p) vs Thomas Hsiang  (8d)]PW[Mingjiu Jiang ]PB[Thomas Hsiang ]WR[7p]BR[8d]DT[2008-08-07]EV[North American Ing Masters]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Richard Dolen]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]
;W[pq]
;B[cd]
;W[pc]
;B[ec]
;W[cj]
;B[pe]
;W[qe]
;B[qf]
;W[qd]C[USGO3 [-\]:  Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
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;B[pf]
;W[nc]
;B[qj]
;W[qo]
;B[cl]
;W[cg]
;B[jq]
;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[cp]
;B[co]
;W[bo]
;B[bn]
;W[cn]
;B[do]
;W[bm]
;B[dn]
;W[an]
;B[cm]
;W[bn]
;B[oq]
;W[op]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: pretty peaceful game so far:)
]
;B[np]
;W[oo]C[Toph [?\]: the game's rythm seems good ^^
]
;B[nq]
;W[pr]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: yea,on other boards people  started fighting already:)
]
;B[dh]
;W[ch]
;B[dj]
;W[di]
;B[ei]
;W[ci]C[Toph [?\]: 90 minutes seems a bit short, but chinese seems to be fast players too
]
;B[dk]C[Toph [?\]: (fast, but very good)
]
;W[dr]
;B[er]
;W[cr]C[USGO3 [-\]: Black made a deep sigh on seeing W D2
]
;B[no]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: seems he's  ahead
Toph [?\]: in this game, white has decided to play solid, while black try to get huge territory
mlnmiles [1d\]: i always find situations like this troublesome for w:)
]
;W[fq]C[ahiman [5k\]: w cant let b have that much in center
mlnmiles [1d\]: hah:)
Toph [?\]: oh, but solid play always give power at the end of the game
]
;B[gq]C[Toph [?\]: nice response from black
Toph [?\]: it will be really hard for white to live somewhere in black zone
]
;W[gp]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: if f3 was made by an amateur, i'd surely call it  a hamete, but now i'm uncertain:))
Toph [?\]: ok, now i see what white is thinking: he will pressure black by using the E3/D7/E10 cuts
mlnmiles [1d\]: yea, but seems pretty difficult to do so:)
]
;B[hq]
;W[fr]
;B[fp]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: oh...
mlnmiles [1d\]: nice:D
Toph [?\]: mmmh... E4? or F5?
mlnmiles [1d\]: tenuki?
Toph [?\]: totally differents developpements
mlnmiles [1d\]: f5 feels too brave inho
Toph [?\]: with F5, will come G5 solidification, and G8/K5 extensions
Toph [?\]: E4 give more threats, but so much gain at the end
Toph [?\]: *but not so
]
;W[eq]C[Toph [?\]: haha, i should have figured it: like always, he play the solid way
mlnmiles [1d\]: thought he can avoid this-_-'
Toph [?\]: F5 seems good for black now, but D7 is probably better
]
;B[ep]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: hehe,d7=chicken:)
Toph [?\]: i'm completely off here, hihi ^^
mlnmiles [1d\]: :)
mlnmiles [1d\]: haha, where to play next?
mlnmiles [1d\]: b's moyo still huge
]
;W[jk]C[Poney [10k\]: Wow
mlnmiles [1d\]: :)
Poney [10k\]: Mingjiu ^^
]
;B[ji]
;W[lk]
;B[on]
;W[qm]
;B[li]
;W[ol]C[Toph [?\]: i think that white hasn't lost G4 yet, hehe... could be a nice cut if he develop center well
]
;B[kl]
;W[ll]
;B[km]
;W[kk]
;B[lc]
;W[ld]
;B[kd]
;W[md]
;B[kc]
;W[eh]
;B[fi]
;W[fd]
;B[ee]
;W[ed]
;B[dd]
;W[fc]
;B[eb]
;W[id]C[kyuboy [9k\]: wow O.O
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;B[je]
;W[hf]
;B[fe]
;W[ge]
;B[fh]
;W[ig]C[Poney [10k\]: threat to separate J13 ?
Poney [10k\]: Euh L15 ?
Toph [?\]: and kill it... of course
Toph [?\]: but not only
]
;B[ob]C[Toph [?\]: strange, O18 seems the best move: where is the trick?
]
;W[oc]C[mlnmiles [1d\]: dunno,would o18 as well
ahiman [5k\]: L17 weak too
bubba2701: hello
mlnmiles [1d\]: not annymore
bubba2701: why do you have so many games up
mlnmiles [1d\]: hi
Toph [?\]: i think black wanted to fragilize white N16 group
bubba2701: you guys should not be telling move
]
;B[jg]C[bubba2701: let him play
]
;W[jh]C[bubba2701: if he make a bad move he learn from it
mlnmiles [1d\]: hahah:)
bubba2701: to admin here
ahiman [5k\]: I always tell 7p's the right moves  :)
]
;B[kh]C[bubba2701: there should be as many admin at night
Toph [?\]: i think the opposite, bubba2701 ^^ : if we tell a move and they don't play it, WE will learn from it
]
;W[ih]C[Toph [?\]: mmhh, another strong move from black; wK14 cut wasn't possible
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;B[ii]
;W[jf]
;B[kf]
;W[kg]
;B[lg]
;W[ie]
;B[jg]
;W[fb]
;B[nb]
;W[pb]
;B[pl]C[Toph [?\]: here, black doesn't need to play N17: O16 cut threat is enough
mlnmiles [1d\]: p7 seems reasonable
]
;W[om]
;B[pm]
;W[pn]
;B[nn]C[Toph [?\]: but R10 will help black if wQ9
Khouphrane [5d\]: if Q9 then O9
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;W[ok]C[Toph [?\]: ah? i was thinking black could run with R8, and S8
Toph [?\]: enough to close at O8-O7
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;B[ql]
;W[pj]
;B[rm]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: so bad game for W
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;W[qn]
;B[qi]
;W[pi]C[Toph [?\]: i hope white will do some 'shining moves' before the end ^^
Khouphrane [5d\]: n10
]
;B[qh]
;W[hk]C[USGO3 [-\]: W has 50 minutes remaining B has 43
USGO3 [-\]: A deep sigh from B
]
;B[hj]
;W[gj]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: e9
]
;B[il]
;W[hi]
;B[ij]
;W[ik]
;B[im]C[nanotech [1k\]: g7
Khouphrane [5d\]: o13
]
;W[lm]C[Toph [?\]: O13 seems good, black L17 not alive yet, and could be pressured
]
;B[mj]
;W[kn]
;B[jo]C[USGO3 [-\]: Now we have a sigh from W
Khouphrane [5d\]: if white does not follow my advices, he will die :)
Ophelia [8k?\]: go thomas!
Khouphrane [5d\]: now o13 is too late
]
;W[lp]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: o7 tempting
Khouphrane [5d\]: or m2
Toph [?\]: m2, of course
jack123 [1d\]: l4
Toph [?\]: it's rare: the situation is too complex for me
Toph [?\]: i cannot decipher the possibilities
Toph [?\]: O5 is under pressure
Toph [?\]:  G4 cut seems now close to be able
Toph [?\]: K8, and H3 could be under pressure too
]
;B[lq]
;W[kp]
;B[kq]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: what is your level Toph ?
Toph [?\]: around 3k
]
;W[in]
;B[jn]
;W[jm]
;B[jl]
;W[hm]
;B[gi]
;W[hl]
;B[jm]C[tianyake [3d\]: dead?
Khouphrane [5d\]: nice shapes
Hydro47 [13k\]: How is mingjiu doing?
Khouphrane [5d\]: g4
Toph [?\]: probably not dead
Toph [?\]: black can run out, but will have to let something die instead
cugel23k [5d\]: how can w live?
lemuria [2d?\]: k4 ? 
Khouphrane [5d\]: not so clear now
Lilltiger [1d\]:  think ming is asking himself that question now as well
Khouphrane [5d\]: m3 was a mistake
Khouphrane [5d\]: m2 was better
tianyake [3d\]: I can not live here, maybe mingjiu can, ready to learn from him
Hydro47 [13k\]: why?
Toph [?\]: K4 will probably lead to J3 cut
Hydro47 [13k\]: I was thinking that
]
;W[og]C[cugel23k [5d\]: y w can have h3  but
Khouphrane [5d\]: g4, k4, e7, d7, f8
Hydro47 [13k\]: What is he trying to do?
Hydro47 [13k\]: get a big dragon?
Khouphrane [5d\]: o11
]
;B[nf]C[cugel23k [5d\]: no eye
Khouphrane [5d\]: one and half, w will find the missing half
Hydro47 [13k\]: ...
Khouphrane [5d\]: game is close, if white can find 80 points
]
;W[mh]C[Toph [?\]: i begin to feel white thoughts here, but not accurate yet
Khouphrane [5d\]: i begin to feel asleep
Toph [?\]: white is trying to live with a real intention to kill bL17 group
Toph [?\]: white preparing N14, P14, and O15
Khouphrane [5d\]: yes but white seems to need two moves in a row
]
;B[ni]
;W[nj]C[Toph [?\]: if he can do O15 in sente, then F9 (trying to do eye) sente, and H12, black will really be threatened
]
;B[mk]C[Toph [?\]: (nevermind, black can live so easily...)
Toph [?\]: i feel sleepy too. 2:18AM here ^^;
]
;W[ml]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: 2:21 AM here :)
]
;B[mi]C[Toph [?\]: french too, i suppose?
Khouphrane [5d\]: french tiem
Khouphrane [5d\]: time
USGO3 [-\]: W has 26 min left; ; B has 15 remaining
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;W[jp]
;B[io]
;W[ip]
;B[hp]
;W[iq]
;B[ir]
;W[hr]
;B[ho]
;W[jr]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: that was nice
Swordfish7 [5d\]: i was starting to think white no chance
Lilltiger [1d\]: lookslike the tabl turned
Swordfish7 [5d\]: not yet
Swordfish7 [5d\]: l5 is cut
katori15 [4k\]: l5 m6 m5 n4 ?
Swordfish7 [5d\]: black thinking whats best way to cut
Lilltiger [1d\]: ko rigt
Lilltiger [1d\]: as o5 isent alive yet
USGO3 [-\]:  MOYOGO DEFEATS 8P: (8/7/2008 5P PST) In a historic achievement, the Moyogo computer program defeated Myungwan Kim 8P Thursday by 1.5 points in a 9-stone game. “It’s gotten 2-3 stones stronger than last time,” Kim told the audience that watched the game, which was played live at the U.S. Go Congress, with over 500 watching online on KGS. Kim estimated Moyogo’s current strength at “two or maybe three dan,” though he noted that the program – which used 800 processors, at 4.7 Ghz, 15 Teraflops on borrowed supercomputers – “made some 5-dan moves,” like those in the lower right-hand corner, where Moyogo took advantage of a mistake by Kim to get an early lead.  :
USGO3 [-\]:  “I think there’s no chance on nine stones,” Kim told the EJ after the game. “It would even be difficult with eight stones. (Moyogo) played really well; after getting a lead, every time I played aggressively, it just played safely, even when it meant sacrificing some stones. It didn’t try to maximize the win and just played the most sure way to win. It’s like a machine.” The game generated a lot of interest and discussion about the game’s tactics and  philosophical implications. “Congratulations on making history today,” game organize Peter Drake told both Kim and Olivier Teytaud, one of Moyogo’s programmers, who participated in a brief online chat after the game.  
]
;B[gr]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: white hesitates to play L2 ?
Swordfish7 [5d\]: i think he should just take..
]
;W[is]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: now black o7 maybe
Khouphrane [5d\]: ko seems unavoidable now
Swordfish7 [5d\]: yeah black doesnt really have any threats
Khouphrane [5d\]: M4 is an other idea
Ophelia [8k?\]: what about m5. white doesnt have alot of liberties
Khouphrane [5d\]: M5 sorry
]
;B[ln]
;W[ko]
;B[lo]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: m2
]
;W[kr]
;B[mp]
;W[ir]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: l2 shape 5 libs
Khouphrane [5d\]: I don't undertand why white did not played N6 after M6
Ophelia [8k?\]: Its possible the recorder got the order of moves wrong
lemuria [2d?\]: because of o7 i guess
lemuria [2d?\]: meaning that even after winning the ko part of his group would have to die anyway
Khouphrane [5d\]: or because he calculated he has won this fight
USGO3 [-\]: I may have inverted the order of the last 2 black moves.  The current position is correct
]
;B[lr]
;W[mn]
;B[mo]C[KOCMOHABT [-\]: n6 didn't work
KOCMOHABT [-\]: o7 cut
KOCMOHABT [-\]: was working for w then
Khouphrane [5d\]: O2 hurts
]
;W[nr]C[Lilltiger [1d\]:  aie
Lilltiger [1d\]: w alive i guess
KOCMOHABT [-\]: k2 seems dead
Toph [?\]: yes, totally
KOCMOHABT [-\]: n8 may be live on ko
lemuria [2d?\]: b o7
Toph [?\]: w alive
nanotech [1k\]: yeah on many places
Khouphrane [5d\]: so painful
]
;B[ks]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: N2
Toph [?\]: not P2?
kurosama [2d\]: n2 -> n3 ?
Toph [?\]: P2 seems more easy
Toph [?\]: *easier
KOCMOHABT [-\]: there us no big difference imho
kurosama [2d\]: n3 is the move right ?
]
;W[or]C[lemuria [2d?\]: result is the same
kurosama [2d\]: yep
KOCMOHABT [-\]: what result?
lemuria [2d?\]: m1 i guess
nanotech [1k\]: ko for game?
]
;B[hs]
;W[gs]
;B[fs]C[lemuria [2d?\]: heh
]
;W[nm]
;B[mm]
;W[rl]C[lemuria [2d?\]: err...
Lilltiger [1d\]: hehe
sadass: H1?
Lilltiger [1d\]: w will ignore any threath b makes
lemuria [2d?\]: but b has n3
KOCMOHABT [-\]: no err... just white can't safe l4 
GeorgeW [-\]: w should have playe r9
GeorgeW [-\]: more threats
lemuria [2d?\]: where does w have another threat now ?
Lilltiger [1d\]: w only need 2
DarkWizard [3d\]: l9
Lilltiger [1d\]: l11 is the second
GeorgeW [-\]: in any case k11 is a threat
lemuria [2d?\]: is l9 a threat ?
GeorgeW [-\]: *l
GeorgeW [-\]: lol
Lilltiger [1d\]: k10
KOCMOHABT [-\]: l11 would be better threath imho
DarkWizard [3d\]: l11
DarkWizard [3d\]: sry
Khouphrane [5d\]: true, r9 was far better
]
;B[rk]
;W[mn]C[lemuria [2d?\]: i dont understand
]
;B[hc]C[nanotech [1k\]: whoa?
]
;W[ic]
;B[mm]C[KOCMOHABT [-\]: strange
KOCMOHABT [-\]: i think h17 was bad threat
nanotech [1k\]: now n3
KOCMOHABT [-\]: n3 bad
KOCMOHABT [-\]: it's what b want from w
sabercat [8k\]: N2?
Lilltiger [1d\]: n2 is death
kurosama [2d\]: N2 ->H1
sabercat [8k\]: ohoh...  i see
]
;W[kg]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: threat ???
Lilltiger [1d\]: must be a misstake
GeorgeW [-\]: it is a threat
Swordfish7 [5d\]: white still has ko if black plays h1 anyways
lemuria [2d?\]: what is the followup ?
GeorgeW [-\]: m12 of course
kurosama [2d\]: M15
]
;B[pp]C[lemuria [2d?\]: still a ko
lemuria [2d?\]: just worse
]
;W[po]
;B[jg]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: why is it a threat ?
GeorgeW [-\]: because black cant with 1 move finish the ko
Medou [1d\]: threat of a double ko ?
GeorgeW [-\]: though i wonder if it was big enough
Toph [?\]: i was wondering too
sabercat [8k\]: if disconnected in M15... chance to kill the whole L17... right?
GeorgeW [-\]: yea but i wonder, it was probably enough to sacrifice
USGO3 [-\]: Whas 3 in left; B has 6 min left
]
;W[hb]C[sabercat [8k\]: i think white would try to kill and connect K9 group to upper right while killing L17
]
;B[hs]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: i don't understand
]
;W[sl]
;B[qk]
;W[gs]
;B[qp]
;W[mn]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[mm]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: w lost now
Lilltiger [1d\]: s4 now?
kurosama [2d\]: m1
gorobert [5d?\]: Yeah, W lost
Lilltiger [1d\]: ahh m1 is one that works
gorobert [5d?\]: Each has one threat left
lemuria [2d?\]: w has both l11 and k10
lemuria [2d?\]: how is it one threat?
Khouphrane [5d\]: m1 good idea
gorobert [5d?\]: K10 is not any more
]
;W[rp]
;B[hs]C[Lilltiger [1d\]: s4 as i said :)
Toph [?\]: m1? not really doing something
Lilltiger [1d\]: l11 now
]
;W[ki]
;B[kj]
;W[gs]
;B[rn]
;W[ro]
;B[hs]C[Lilltiger [1d\]: k10
Lilltiger [1d\]: hmm w 1 to few?
gorobert [5d?\]: If k10 is, then j18 could be one for black
Lilltiger [1d\]: m1 is one for b
gorobert [5d?\]: Black is winning
]
;W[jj]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: l11
]
;B[ki]
;W[gs]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: h12 was bad
gorobert [5d?\]: l11 should play at H12 to capture
Khouphrane [5d\]: no
Khouphrane [5d\]: because then w had m10 as a threat
gorobert [5d?\]: But black also has j18
Lilltiger [1d\]: b cam m1 right.. cant find another for w
gorobert [5d?\]: h12 makes h13 possible
katori15 [4k\]: b can m1?
Toph [?\]: no
kurosama [2d\]: he can but no good threat
]
;B[ls]C[kurosama [2d\]: makes the ko direct :p
Lilltiger [1d\]: :P
kurosama [2d\]: if white find a threat it s over
kurosama [2d\]: +s
Toph [?\]: if wN6, bM1, then w will playN7 happy
Lilltiger [1d\]: n1 h1
kurosama [2d\]: l15 is a white threat ?
Lilltiger [1d\]: l15 to small
kurosama [2d\]: yes
]
;W[pg]C[USGO3 [-\]: W has used 3 of his 5 byoyomi minutes
gorobert [5d?\]: This is also small 
]
;B[hs]C[gorobert [5d?\]: Capture
]
;W[qg]
;B[rg]C[kurosama [2d\]: that s smart from white
]
;W[gs]
;B[js]C[gorobert [5d?\]: Nothing there
gorobert [5d?\]: Ko is done
Lilltiger [1d\]: b + res
gorobert [5d?\]: Yeah
gorobert [5d?\]: It is hard to kill the top black group
gorobert [5d?\]: Over
Toph [?\]: impossible to kill
USGO3 [-\]: W resigns
Toph [?\]: can only kill right border
Lilltiger [1d\]: t was impressive of w to get a ko for it
Lilltiger [1d\]: to bad b won it
Toph [?\]: err.. no, can't kill anything
Toph [?\]: nice struggling game at the end
USGO3 [-\]: Thanks for your attention, KGS observers
xushibagua [5k\]: white resigned?
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